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[17:06] <rogueyoshi> no
[17:07] <rogueyoshi> what this place needs is to be a lot less not non dead
[17:07] <rogueyoshi> lol
[17:07] <PerfectChaosZero> Har
[17:07] <Kroze> Wait... how does that work?
[17:07] <PerfectChaosZero> Hello Ian!
[17:07] <rogueyoshi> hi
[17:07] * PerfectChaosZero sets mode: +o Ian_Flynn
[17:07] <Kroze> Thats a double negative
[17:07] <SSNWadmanKiddo> This is the real Ian Flynn, I assume?
[17:07] <Smidge204> Whoa, 5PM already?
[17:07] <Ian_Flynn> Woo! I'm a mod now!
[17:07] <Smidge204> .
[17:08] <Kroze> Teh beast is here! Come to rule us!!
[17:08] <Kroze> Repent!! REPENT!
[17:08] * Kroze is killed
[17:08] <Ian_Flynn> Where is your flag now?
[17:09] <Kroze> The flag shall guide us!
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[17:09] <Kroze> Ahhh... good ol episode 38...
[17:09] <Ian_Flynn> Fantastic series overall
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[17:10] <Kroze> Yeah, Burnie is amazing with the writing
[17:10] <Ian_Flynn> Ahhh Madam Puar. A pleasure as always
[17:10] <Smidge204> So, 'sup?
[17:10] <MissPuar> *blush* Thankies, Ian
[17:10] <Kroze> It really shows in his Out of Mind miniseries he's got going on right now
[17:10] <DimensionWarped> Ever David Bowie song ever complete!
[17:10] <Ian_Flynn> Not too much, Smidge.
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[17:11] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Hmm.
[17:11] <SSNWadmanKiddo> That's weird.
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[17:11] <SSNWadmanKiddo> I remember someone in #srb2 wanting to speak with Flynn, but he's not around now.
[17:11] <Kroze> rofl
[17:11] <PerfectChaosZero> So, does anyone have any questions they wanna ask right off the bad for Ian, or should we just try to get a topic going?
[17:11] <Ian_Flynn> He's got til 6PM, then I gotta jet
[17:11] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Flynn: WHY CAN I NOT SAGECAST NOW?
[17:11] * SSNWadmanKiddo is murdered.
[17:11] * Kroze hides the knife
[17:12] <Smidge204> Because you've pretty much been hoggin' it for the past two days, Kiddo
[17:12] <Ian_Flynn> It was Kroze in the chat window with the knife! I win clue!
[17:12] <Kroze> Heh
[17:12] <MissPuar> I thought the butler did it
[17:12] <Ian_Flynn> Kroze is a butler?
[17:12] * rogueyoshi is now known as rogueyoshi[afk]
[17:12] <Kroze> Nope
[17:13] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Smidge: But PC0 implied that it was related to Flynn's presense. :(
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[17:13] <PerfectChaosZero> So Ian, I gotta ask ya', what's your opinion on Ken Penders?
[17:13] <Smidge204> He lied to try and not hurt your feelings
[17:13] <PerfectChaosZero> Kiddo: I never implied this.
[17:13] <Ice_Dragon> What have I missed?
[17:13] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Ah, whatever.
[17:13] <Kroze> Not much Ice
[17:13] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Me whining because I can't SAGEcast right now.
[17:13] <PerfectChaosZero> We just started Ice
[17:14] <Ian_Flynn> I don't really have much of one, PC0. I don't know the man personally and we've never really worked together.
[17:14] <PerfectChaosZero> So you don't even have an opinion on him as a writer?
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[17:14] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Ian Flynn won't be able to be emotionally scarred by my singing. :(
[17:14] <Ian_Flynn> He put in an impressively long run on Sonic and set alot of the groundwork I get to work from
[17:15] <Ian_Flynn> Some of the style/direction he used in the past may not have been as I would've gone, but that's not much of a critique. Each artist is going to have a different style of presentation.
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[17:15] <Kroze> Oh, your that new writer for the Sonic comic! Now I know why everyone is coming in here!
[17:15] * PerfectChaosZero rams his head into the wall
[17:16] <SSNWadmanKiddo> HOpefully everyone will stay as well
[17:16] <SSNWadmanKiddo> So I can FORCE them out. Mwahahahhaha
[17:16] <PerfectChaosZero> ANYWAY
[17:16] <Smidge204> Kroze has a mind like a steel trap
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[17:16] <Ian_Flynn> I should think so. Isn't Ben Hurst supposed to come in after me?
[17:16] <Smidge204> ...rusty and illegal in 48 states.
[17:16] <PerfectChaosZero> Ben Hurst comes in tomorrow
[17:16] <Ian_Flynn> Ahh
[17:16] <Swriter> Or today as a test.
[17:16] <PerfectChaosZero> at about 6 PST IIRC
[17:16] <Smidge204> Hah
[17:16] <Swriter> Hi guys.
[17:16] <Smidge204> Heya
[17:16] <Kroze> Yo
[17:16] <Ian_Flynn> Excellent. I might be able to swing by then, too
[17:16] <MissPuar> Ian- how old is Elias? Knux comics' implied he was a baby when the plane crashed, but he looked about 3 years old is SS11 "Asension"
[17:16] <Ian_Flynn> Maybe.
[17:16] <PerfectChaosZero> That'd be increadible
[17:17] <Swriter> Duh.
[17:17] <MissPuar> *waves @ Swriter* Hiya!
[17:17] <PerfectChaosZero> That's a good question Puar. How old IS that guy?
[17:17] * Swriter waves back
[17:17] <Ice_Dragon> He's married and has a kid. I believe he's in his early 20's.
[17:17] <Ian_Flynn> MissPuar - part of the problem is the inconsistency of the past. I'd say he's 1-3 years older than Sally
[17:18] <Ice_Dragon> I have a few questions. The first and most pertinent is this.
[17:18] <Ice_Dragon> What are Archie's submission and hiring policies?
[17:19] <Ian_Flynn> Depends on what you're submitting. Hiring-wise, I'm pretty sure its in the hands of each book's editor
[17:19] <Ice_Dragon> I'll be completely blunt and honest.
[17:19] <Ian_Flynn> I was brought aboard through Mr. Pellerito, for example
[17:20] <Ice_Dragon> I want your job.
[17:20] <PerfectChaosZero> Hahaha
[17:20] <Ian_Flynn> You're welcome to give it a shot
[17:20] <Kroze> You know if there any possible plans for trade paperbacks for the whole series? Incuding the major kickage of the Knuckles comic run?
[17:20] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Ice Dragon has some ideas on how Archie should progress.
[17:20] <Smidge204> Careful, Ian, he'll do it.
[17:20] <Ian_Flynn> It took me four years to get in the door. Get movin' ;)
[17:20] <Ice_Dragon> I'm really not joking. I'm an english major and I need work.
[17:21] <PerfectChaosZero> So Ian, I've always found that an odd thing
[17:21] <Ian_Flynn> Kroze - I don't know if the trades will hit on the mini's/specials/Knux but if they sell well they'll keep filling in the past issues
[17:21] <PerfectChaosZero> You worked on other M, which was a fan comic wasn't it?
[17:21] <Swriter> I don't know if I could ever write for comic books. It's a definite art form because you have to condense so much into such a tiny amount of space.
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[17:22] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Not really
[17:22] <SSNWadmanKiddo> You could just be like Dragonball
[17:22] <SSNWadmanKiddo> And drag 5 minutes into 20 chapters.
[17:22] <Swriter> LOL
[17:22] <Swriter> Nah, I like it when stories whip along.
[17:23] <Kroze> Its kinda wierd though... how TV is becoming more and more serialized emulating comicbooks
[17:23] <Kroze> Well, the scripted shows that is
[17:23] <Ian_Flynn> PC0 - It was, yes, but I like to avoid it as a topic for its protection
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[17:23] <PerfectChaosZero> Well, I was just wondering actually about THAT specifically and only that really.
[17:23] <H_Hog> 'sup
[17:23] <Spazz> Oh, you found it, cool.
[17:23] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Hi H_Hog
[17:23] <Ice_Dragon> I did enjoy Other M.
[17:23] <Ian_Flynn> In that case - yup, t'was a fan-comic
[17:23] <H_Hog> Heya guys
[17:24] <PerfectChaosZero> I just wanted to know if there were any conflicts between working at Archie and having other works that were fan-made
[17:24] <H_Hog> Despite all odds, I actually managed to make it for a day or two
[17:24] <PerfectChaosZero> And what the legal junk is about that
[17:24] <Ice_Dragon> It seems like that would actually be a good selling point, wouldn't it? In the past years, Archie has done the wise thing and employed fans.
[17:24] <Ian_Flynn> Not yet, no. That's part of the reason I try to distance myself from it. I don't want it to become an issue
[17:24] <Kroze> That is a very good idea...
[17:24] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Yeah, I guess Archie doesn't even know of other M?
[17:24] <Ice_Dragon> Well then.
[17:25] <Ice_Dragon> I suppose I'll start asking the hard questions.
[17:25] <Ian_Flynn> Not to my knowledge, no
[17:25] <Ice_Dragon> What is your, and the staff's, stance on retconning?
[17:25] <PerfectChaosZero> Watch out for this Ice Dragon guy Flynn, he's a real hardass about some things.
[17:25] <Donnyku> woah
[17:25] <H_Hog> XD
[17:25] <Ice_Dragon> no.
[17:25] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Yeah, Ice Dragon's... got high standards.
[17:25] <Ice_Dragon> I'm a real hardass about most things.
[17:25] <Donnyku> this place is full of a sudden
[17:25] <Kroze> The retcon question...
[17:25] <Donnyku> aww
[17:26] <Ian_Flynn> The frosty serpent can ask what he wants and have the firmest of buttockes. I shall not flinch
[17:26] <H_Hog> Hahahaha
[17:26] <Donnyku> how much have I missed of this chat with Ian?
[17:26] <Ice_Dragon> Hear that Smidge? I've got permission.
[17:26] <SSNWadmanKiddo> But what if he has the firmest of...
[17:26] <SSNWadmanKiddo> ...
[17:26] <Ice_Dragon> It is on like kong.
[17:26] <SSNWadmanKiddo> I won't complete that statement.
[17:26] <Smidge204> Ooookay
[17:26] <PerfectChaosZero> XD
[17:26] <Donnyku> oh god
[17:26] <PorpoiseMuffins> Just a few minutes, Donny
[17:26] <PerfectChaosZero> Alright Ice, go to town
[17:26] <Donnyku> Ice, are you gonna do...
[17:26] <Donnyku> that?
[17:26] <Ian_Flynn> Personally, I'm not a huge fan of retconning stuff. I only employ it if it fixes things or paves the way for something better in the future.
[17:26] <Ice_Dragon> Right. My question hasn't been answered yet.
[17:27] <SAGEVisitor999> for a newbie... what is retconnin?
[17:27] <Ian_Flynn> Retro-active continuity
[17:27] <Donnyku> changing something already established
[17:27] <Kroze> It means to kill stuff in your previous works
[17:27] <PerfectChaosZero> Visitor 999, retconning is changing stuff that's already happened.
[17:27] <Donnyku> a retcon would be like, suddenly making Sonic Orange
[17:27] <SAGEVisitor999> gracias
[17:27] <Ice_Dragon> well
[17:27] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Yes.
[17:27] <PorpoiseMuffins> lol
[17:28] <Kroze> In other words: What Marvel does for a living
[17:28] <Kroze> <.<
[17:28] <Kroze> >.>
[17:28] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Of course, popular retcos include.... like...
[17:28] <SSNWadmanKiddo> The whole Spider-man/Ben Reily bullcrap.
[17:28] <Ice_Dragon> That isn't entirely accurate.
[17:28] <H_Hog> The problem with retconning - unless done TRULY right - is that it leaves plotholes
[17:28] <Ice_Dragon> See, with retroactive continuity, you're not changing stuff that happened, so much as you're saying that it never happened in the first place.
[17:28] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Or the Death of Jean Grey.
[17:28] <PerfectChaosZero> Well, perhaps Ian can give his own, personal definition of Ret Conning?
[17:28] <Donnyku> that would work
[17:28] <Ian_Flynn> I'll give an example
[17:29] <PerfectChaosZero> I mean he is the pro
[17:29] <Ice_Dragon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retcon
[17:29] <SSNWadmanKiddo> I'd like to be a pro sometime. I think I could write good fiction if I bothered. :D
[17:29] <PorpoiseMuffins> Well, as long as you can get someone to pay you, I guess that makes you a "pro" ;)
[17:29] <Ian_Flynn> In StH#150, it's said Tails completes his duties as the Chosen One when he defeats Mammoth Mogul. The problem: it was established long before that Tails would lead to The Gathering and the Great Harmony
[17:30] <Ice_Dragon> But is that a retcon or a continuity oversight?
[17:30] <Donnyku> I stopped reading around #50 :E
[17:30] <Ice_Dragon> Donny: Sasquatch Tails.
[17:30] <Ian_Flynn> Thus, in StH#162, it was "revealed" that Mogul's entrapment (and follies) were all thanks to the Ancient Walkers, thus allowing us to move forward
[17:31] <PerfectChaosZero> Ah, now THAT'S a retcon
[17:31] <Smidge204> Verbal duct tape
[17:31] <Ian_Flynn> Precisely
[17:31] <Ice_Dragon> Agreed.
[17:31] <Donnyku> very nice Smidge
[17:31] <Ice_Dragon> That would be an addition retcon.
[17:31] <Ice_Dragon> granted, there's really no need for retconning of any kind if you have a tight continuity.
[17:32] <Ice_Dragon> Which brings me to my next question. As someone that's followed the comic and it's writing staff for a few years, the phrase "loose continuity" has come up many a time.
[17:32] <Ice_Dragon> What exactly does this mean, and why is it considered a good thing/
[17:32] <Ian_Flynn> Loose continuity is no more.
[17:32] <Ice_Dragon> Oh really?
[17:32] <SAGEVisitor999> reality, tho, says that with changes in writers and, more importantly, editors, continuity pays a price...
[17:32] <PorpoiseMuffins> Beautiful
[17:33] <Ian_Flynn> Loose continuity was the old mind-set of the book. Tell any story, have pretty much anything happen, and there was no major concern with how it might contradict itself
[17:33] <Ice_Dragon> It clearly didn't work.
[17:33] <Ian_Flynn> I can't say when exactly it began to be phased out, but I came in firmly resolved against it
[17:34] <Kroze> Actually, I got a intresting question, how much freedom are you given when working on this by Archie and Sega since you are indeed writing using their own characters and settings somewhat? Cause when I was working on a old licence doing stories for there site, they were really loose about it....
[17:34] <SSNWadmanKiddo> I don't think Sega's nagged Archie to do any sort of changes since SA2.
[17:34] <Ian_Flynn> I'm got a lot of creative freedom, especially with the non-SegaSonic characters.
[17:34] <Ice_Dragon> What are your thoughts on the stories being targeted towards prepubescent males when the Sonic franchise also has a fanbase that includes girls and is in their mid twenties?
[17:35] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Which is why Penders can have Shadow be saved entirely differently in Archie than how he is in SegaSonic continuity.
[17:35] <Ice_Dragon> I don't think Sega's nagged in any way Kiddo. After all, how many times have we seen Sonic swimming?
[17:35] <H_Hog> Kiddo - he sid NON-Segasonic characters.
[17:35] <H_Hog> *said
[17:35] <Ian_Flynn> I don't really write for that range. I try to keep the stories clear and I try to make them entertaining.
[17:36] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Yeah, but he still implied he had more control over the characters than, like
[17:36] <Ice_Dragon> So you'd say there's no targeting?
[17:36] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Sega's old "Force Sally to live" and "Force a Sonic adventure adaption" stuff.
[17:36] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Is snake0 just here to troll?
[17:36] <H_Hog> Looks like it
[17:36] <Ian_Flynn> There is when you get into the marketting side of things, but not in my mind as I write.
[17:37] <PerfectChaosZero> Now, Ian, a lot (you'd be suprised how many)of people are very happy that Ken Penders is gone, many felt he ruined the book and a lot of fans are looking to you to fix it. I myself am interested in getting a subscription to Sonic for the first time in several years, now that you have the helm. Do you feel it's a bit of pressure to be so relied on by so many fans now?
[17:37] <H_Hog> Yawhatta?
[17:37] <Ice_Dragon> So there's no editorial pressure to pidgeonhole your writing?
[17:37] * Smidge204 sets mode: +o Ice_Dragon
[17:37] <SSNWadmanKiddo> :( Ice gets ops.
[17:37] * Smidge204 sets mode: +o SSNWadmanKiddo
[17:37] <H_Hog> Oooooo
[17:37] <Donnyku> o.o
[17:37] <Smidge204> Just keep the trolls outta here, 'k guys?
[17:37] <Ian_Flynn> If anything, I've felt very free to explore and push boundries with editorial
[17:37] <H_Hog> As does Kiddo
[17:37] <Ice_Dragon> As always.
[17:37] <Donnyku> we're doomed, kiddo's an op
[17:37] <H_Hog> ZOMFG
[17:37] * Smidge204 sets mode: +o Donnyku
[17:37] <Ian_Flynn> PC0 - Yes. x100
[17:37] <SSNWadmanKiddo> :D
[17:37] <Smidge204> Donny's job is to keep Kiddo in line
[17:38] <H_Hog> See everyone who isn't female get kicked ;P
[17:38] <PerfectChaosZero> Ouch, how do you deal with it?
[17:38] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Don't worry.
[17:38] <H_Hog> j/k man
[17:38] <Ian_Flynn> Videogames and other forms of escapism =D
[17:38] <SSNWadmanKiddo> When I'm not looking at porn, I'm a generally sane guy.
[17:38] <Ian_Flynn> ...and write the best scripts I can, too.
[17:38] <Alam_Debian> ...
[17:38] <Kroze> Heh, yeah
[17:38] <SSNWadmanKiddo> (But not when SAGEcasting. Then I'm like, Meowtwo.)
[17:38] * PerfectChaosZero sets mode: +o H_Hog
[17:38] <SSNWadmanKiddo> ... (Does that make me a shit, as well?)
[17:38] <Ice_Dragon> Were, or are, you ever issued character bibles?
[17:38] <Ice_Dragon> I personally believe they're fundamental to writing any work.
[17:38] <PerfectChaosZero> That's a good question Ice
[17:39] <Ian_Flynn> I helped write the one we're working with now
[17:39] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Woah, wait
[17:39] <H_Hog> Ooh. 'kay-o, I'll keep an eye out as well.
[17:39] <Ice_Dragon> All of my questions are good questions.
[17:40] <Ice_Dragon> Okay, great. So we're not going to see Sonic diving into the ocean or anything like that in the forseeable future, right?
[17:40] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Yeah, but they didn't show up here until Ian came along
[17:40] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Aw, well.
[17:40] <Ian_Flynn> Heh, no, we won't
[17:40] <SSNWadmanKiddo> ahhh, I remember that Sonic X preview image.
[17:40] <SSNWadmanKiddo> "Hey, Sonic's in the water? BUT HOW DOES HE SWIM?"
[17:40] <Ice_Dragon> Sonic X Issue 2 Page 1
[17:40] <Kroze> Do you take into consern fans likes and dislikes about characters and story ideas? Or do just go and write what works and throw cation to the wind?
[17:41] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Sonic X issue 1 also had a silly inconsistancy.
[17:41] <SSNWadmanKiddo> With Sonic actually -struggling- against Sam Speed.
[17:41] <Ice_Dragon> Yes,
[17:41] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Who, in the TV Series, he makes out to be a total joke.
[17:41] <Ian_Flynn> A little of both - but never is caution thrown to the wind. I try to accomodate the general concensus.
[17:41] <Ice_Dragon> Kiddo, to be fair, we don't really have to worry about those sorts of mistakes when you have fans at the helm as we do now.
[17:41] <Donnyku> I havn't had a chance to read you're other issues since 160 (that was your first one right) after seeing Bean and Bark back, will we be seeing others like Nack/Fang or Mighty and Ray?
[17:41] <Ian_Flynn> You will notice - virtually no Tommy Turtle for six months.
[17:41] <H_Hog> Why is Sonic unable to swim, by the way... is it that he's so streamlined, the water just doesn't have any resistance on him anymore?
[17:41] <Ice_Dragon> Thank you for that, by the way, Ian.
[17:41] <PerfectChaosZero> Ian: Does this mean that we'll see no more Sasquatch Tails?
[17:42] <Kroze> rofl
[17:42] <SSNWadmanKiddo> H_Hog: That's not a question for Flynn, silly.
[17:42] <Ice_Dragon> (I weep for Sasquatch Tails)
[17:42] <Ian_Flynn> NO MORE TITAN TAILS
[17:42] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Ask that when a SEGA Exec. comes in.
[17:42] <H_Hog> I wasn't really asking it to him in particular
[17:42] <PerfectChaosZero> I'd hope not XD
[17:42] <Ice_Dragon> H: Because it makes the game harder for him underwater. All heroes have a weakness.
[17:42] <SSNWadmanKiddo> On the other hand
[17:42] <Ian_Flynn> And yes - more Nack, Mighty and Ray where I can fit them
[17:42] <H_Hog> It was just a general musing
[17:42] <SSNWadmanKiddo> How about "Badass" tails?
[17:42] <SSNWadmanKiddo> From...
[17:42] <Donnyku> yay
[17:42] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Oh, wait
[17:42] <PerfectChaosZero> Any chance you can somehow retcon that out?
[17:42] <SSNWadmanKiddo> 4Kids cut that out of the English Sonic X, didn't they?
[17:42] <H_Hog> hahaha
[17:42] <Donnyku> Nack is the best, shame Sonic Team keeps forgetting his existance
[17:42] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Nevermind. Only us hardcore fans would be the joke, then.
[17:43] <Ian_Flynn> "The Darkest Storm" tied up any problems that made. And I have no plans of reviving that "form" again
[17:43] <PerfectChaosZero> I don't know what Penders was thinking, but it's actually probably the most hated single event to ever happen in the comic
[17:43] <H_Hog> "Sasquatch Tails? That uhhh... never happened. It was really Bark in a Tails outfit."
[17:43] <Donnyku> H, if it was still Ken, I could kinda see that happening
[17:43] <Ice_Dragon> Personally, I feel that the comic, it's fanbase, and you as a writer, would be best served with a complete retcon, so that you might start fresh, free of the...mistakes, that have plauged the series.
[17:43] * PerfectChaosZero sets mode: +o Tendo
[17:43] <Ice_Dragon> No, if it was Ken, it would be Anti-Tails from the Anti-Dimension.
[17:44] <Donnyku> ah yes
[17:44] <Ian_Flynn> It's crossed my mind, but I think there's far too much good stuff to work with to throw it all out now
[17:44] <Donnyku> his multi-dimentions
[17:44] <Ice_Dragon> perhaps complete may have been a hyperbole.
[17:44] <Ian_Flynn> Just wait and see what I do with alot of old elements after M25YL. You'll see what I mean.
[17:44] <PerfectChaosZero> So you're going to try and work with what you've got already rather than start fresh?
[17:44] <Ian_Flynn> Precisely.
[17:44] <Ice_Dragon> I'll admit there are concepts worth keeping, if for no other reason than they could have a lot of potential.
[17:45] <Ice_Dragon> What about Knuckles? He's pretty much become a contradiction to the sega provided canon.
[17:45] <Ice_Dragon> And is, occasionally, The Incredible Hulk.
[17:45] <Ian_Flynn> As long as they don't contradict us, I'll keep writing him as we've established
[17:46] <Ian_Flynn> No more Green Knuckles, either =P
[17:46] <Donnyku> that's good to know
[17:46] <Kroze> I haven't read anything past... well #152 but will Espio and his relative (Who was in the Kings Royal Secret Service) return to kick major ass anytime soon?
[17:46] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Yeah
[17:46] <Kroze> I <3 them
[17:46] <SSNWadmanKiddo> The Archie canon isn't the Sega canon, not by a long shot, anymore.
[17:46] <Ian_Flynn> Espio - yes. Valdez (I don't think they were related, but I'd have to check) no immediate plans
[17:46] <PerfectChaosZero> One thing that's always bugged me is the number of Chaos Emeralds found in the comic. Is it really sensible to have so many unlimited power sources?
[17:46] <Ice_Dragon> I was hoping Blaze would be here so that I could make this joke with him present
[17:46] <Ice_Dragon> but
[17:46] <Kroze> Awww...
[17:46] <Ice_Dragon> Is Drago coming back?
[17:47] <Ian_Flynn> PC0 - hold that thought. Don't ask, but hold that thought.
[17:47] <Kroze> Heh
[17:47] <PerfectChaosZero> moho
[17:47] * Donnyku lunches some CE Jammers into the earth
[17:47] <Ian_Flynn> Drago came back in StH#162-164 and will remain a member of the Destructix...until I don't want him there anymore.
[17:47] <H_Hog> Uh-oh! Could Ian be up to something? :P
[17:47] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Speaking of Blaze the Cat, I don't think any 'recently introduced" Sega characters have been placed in archie in a while.
[17:47] <Donnyku> now to wait for someone to make a CD Jammer Canceler
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[17:47] <Tendo> God, Kiddo, don't give anyone any ideas.
[17:48] <SSNWadmanKiddo> From Cream onwards, if I recall.
[17:48] <Donnyku> no
[17:48] <Tendo> There is no sonic continuity that needs MORE characters. ;_;
[17:48] <Ice_Dragon> That's true. Has Sega stopped asking for game adaptations? Because you're missing quite a few segasonic characters.
[17:48] <Donnyku> we don't need Silver :E
[17:48] <Ice_Dragon> Granted, as Neo just pointed out, you've got a full house already
[17:48] <H_Hog> Hey, if anyone, Blaze could make an interesting character. More interesting then Cream or the Babytlon Rogues, at the very least.
[17:48] <Tendo> Not to mention the trouble that may be caused by overlapping character archetypes.
[17:48] <Meowtwo> Oh, is that special guest thing tonight?
[17:48] <Ian_Flynn> Babylon Rogues were in the comic
[17:48] <H_Hog> Ah.
[17:48] <Donnyku> yes Meow
[17:48] <PerfectChaosZero> Meowtwo: It's right now XD
[17:48] <Ice_Dragon> Are there any inspirations that you draw on when writing the characters?
[17:48] <Meowtwo> When's that?
[17:48] <Ian_Flynn> Cream (and alot of char's related to her) are SX-exclusive
[17:48] <Meowtwo> OH.
[17:49] <Meowtwo> Hello.
[17:49] <H_Hog> Well, you'll have to excuse my ignorance of that - I haven't been able to obtain a comic since 128
[17:49] <Donnyku> that's good
[17:49] <Ice_Dragon> Whenever I picture the Sonic and Tails dynamic, I'm reminded of a couple of the characters from Outlaw Star.
[17:49] <Tendo> You might already have an "ANGSTY GUY FROM THE FUTURE" already, so Silver would be, for all intents and purpses, be superfluous
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[17:49] <PerfectChaosZero> You know
[17:49] <H_Hog> which is when my local comicstore vanished D:
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[17:49] <PerfectChaosZero> Silver brings up a good question though
[17:49] <Kroze> This is not really a question but more of a request.... Gimme a M25YL Knux action figure!!
[17:49] <Kroze> <.<
[17:49] <PerfectChaosZero> Ian, how do you feel about the sonic games starting their universe fresh? And how will that effect the comic?
[17:49] <Ian_Flynn> I try to bring in the best from each "version" and work it so it fits/makes sense coming from the established ArchieSonic-version
[17:49] <Kroze> >.>
[17:49] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Kroze: Ian doesn't make action figures. :P
[17:49] <Kroze> I know
[17:50] <Meowtwo> WHY NOT.
[17:50] <Ian_Flynn> ...well, actually....
[17:50] <Kroze> o.0
[17:50] <Meowtwo> :D
[17:50] <PerfectChaosZero> Unless you're not allowed to speak on such matters?
[17:50] <Ian_Flynn> There's a hobby project of mine I haven't had much time to devote to yet, BUT...
[17:50] <Ice_Dragon> Meowtwo: Do NOT turn this into /b/. We're having a constructive seminar and I have no qualms about removing you.
[17:50] <Meowtwo> Ah poo.
[17:50] <H_Hog> Personally, I don't think Sonic "starting fresh" in the games should have much of an impact on the comic. I mean - adaptations aside, it's pretty much been in its own continuity anyway.
[17:51] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Yeah.
[17:51] <Tendo> Yeah.
[17:51] <Donnyku> that is true
[17:51] <Ian_Flynn> I got the latest run of SX-figures and plan on tweaking them into char's that haven't been made into figures. That's sorta "making" figures.
[17:51] <Kroze> Nice...
[17:51] <SSNWadmanKiddo> In all honesty, I haven't seen the plot of Sonic 2k6 yet, so I'm still guess it "won't" be as fresh a start as planned.
[17:51] <Ice_Dragon> Exactly. Hence why while Sonic X and Segasonic depict Knuckles as a girl shy last of his kind loner, Archie is free to do the complete and total opposite in every conceivable way.
[17:51] <H_Hog> That, too.
[17:51] <Tendo> So.. anyway, I'll throw a kind of silly question out there, though it's one that kind of hits home with old sonic fans. I don't really keep up as much as a lot of people, but just when was the last time Knuckles got duped by Eggman into doing something stupid?
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[17:52] <Ian_Flynn> It's been awhile, Tendo
[17:52] <Tendo> That's disappointing.
[17:52] <Kroze> Thank god too
[17:52] <Tendo> What? No way.
[17:52] <Tendo> That was one of Knuckles' founding character traits.
[17:52] <Ice_Dragon> So is him being the only living echidna.
[17:52] <Kroze> Ehhh... but he has got to learn
[17:52] <Ice_Dragon> How far we've come.
[17:52] <Meowtwo> That, and Knuckle's being so gullible he'll believe anything you tell him.
[17:52] <Kroze> Its called character evolution
[17:53] <Smidge204> To quote from earlier: <Smidge204> "Sonic! Eggman said you stole my breakfast! Give me back my breakfast!"
[17:53] <Meowtwo> lol
[17:53] <Ice_Dragon> Actually that's a good question.
[17:53] <Donnyku> agreed
[17:53] <Donnyku> it's not Knuckles unless he's getting duped somehoe
[17:53] <Donnyku> *somehow
[17:53] <Ian_Flynn> KNUX: "Sonic! Leggo my Eggo!"
[17:53] <Donnyku> or an evil dictator....
[17:53] <Ice_Dragon> Where do you draw the line between developing a character and what is essentially writing a new character under the old one's name?
[17:53] <Smidge204> (tm)
[17:53] <Swriter> Was Knuckles ever in AOSTH?
[17:53] <Donnyku> no
[17:54] <Kroze> Nope
[17:54] <Tendo> No.
[17:54] <Meowtwo> No.
[17:54] <Donnyku> Knuckles was only in SoUnd
[17:54] <Smidge204> yes.
[17:54] <Meowtwo> ...
[17:54] <Smidge204> I mean no...
[17:54] <Donnyku> in a 3 part ep
[17:54] <Ice_Dragon> Because, as I've repeated in this conversation ad nauseum, Archie Knuckles is in no way the Knuckles we see everywhere else.
[17:54] <PorpoiseMuffins> I think he knows that :D
[17:54] <Tendo> Frankly, in the Segasonic universe
[17:54] <Tendo> Knuckles is widely known for two things:
[17:54] <Ian_Flynn> It's really tricky, Ice. One thing I try to do when even conceptualizing a change is to get into the char's head - think as they would - and see if the progression/change would make sense for them
[17:54] <Tendo> Being an idiot, and losing the master emerald.
[17:54] <Donnyku> I havn't read the comic, but does Knuckles still obsess over the Master Emerald?
[17:55] <PerfectChaosZero> Ian, what are your thoughts on the whole Sonic x Sally thing (as in romantically) and is it true that SEGA has been trying to put a lid on it for some time now
[17:55] <Ice_Dragon> in the same way, in recent years, many of the Archie characters gleaned from Segasonic or Satam have been changed beyond recognition in terms of writing.
[17:55] <Ice_Dragon> Romance in the book in general has been a mess.
[17:55] <SSNWadmanKiddo> "Chips? You mean Potato Chips?"
[17:55] <Ice_Dragon> It's not a love triangle anymore. It's a love hexagon.
[17:55] <SSNWadmanKiddo> How drastic Charmy is between Archie and Sega.
[17:55] <Tendo> In the Sonic fan realm, the only good advice I can give you about writing love stories is don't.
[17:55] <Ian_Flynn> PC0 - Sonic and Sally are over. They've been over for a while. Now it's a question of "will they return to each other?" or "who's next?" I've not received any word from Sega one way or another about them.
[17:55] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Yeah, Sonic the Harem Hedgehog.
[17:56] <Ice_Dragon> to be fair, Sega themselves retconned Charmy
[17:56] <Donnyku> who is it now Ice? Sonic/Sally/Amy/Mina/other odd girl I don't know the name of?
[17:56] <PerfectChaosZero> So which do you support yourself?
[17:56] <Ice_Dragon> Sonic/Sally/Amy/Mina/Fiona, last time I checked
[17:56] <Ian_Flynn> Not sayin' ;)
[17:56] <Kroze> I really like to see characters naturally evolve from what they were... Its not fun when your characters stay locked in the same ways for so long...
[17:56] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Aww
[17:56] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Flynn won't give us no spoilers? :(
[17:57] <Ian_Flynn> Nope. I'll mercilessly tease, tho'
[17:57] <PerfectChaosZero> Ian: But we have a reasonable CHANCE of seeing Sonic and Sally back together, right?
[17:57] <Donnyku> Ian, if you had the chance, would you try and bring Other M into the story?
[17:57] <Tendo> Yes, Kroze, but it's not fun when the characters you have a soft spot in your heart for are suddenly completely different from the characters you now see
[17:57] <PerfectChaosZero> There's no, "Oh my god you can't do that" anymore
[17:57] <Kroze> But Tendo, thats not natural at all...
[17:57] <PerfectChaosZero> Because PENDERS told us on his board that it was Sega that made him split up Sonic and Sally
[17:57] <Ian_Flynn> I can't rule it out, no. I can't rule out him hooking up with somebody else down the line, either
[17:57] <Tendo> Excuse me, what?
[17:57] <Ice_Dragon> I'd wager that Knuckles as a bright green married king isn't the kind of development you want, Kroze.
[17:57] <Ian_Flynn> Donnyku - Absolutely not.
[17:57] <Tendo> You're talking about natural in a story about a giant blue hedgehog that runs at the speed of sound?
[17:57] <Meowtwo> Green?
[17:57] <Ice_Dragon> Green.
[17:58] <Ice_Dragon> Lime Green, actually.
[17:58] <Meowtwo> ... Ugh.
[17:58] <Donnyku> what about as a different book? still no?
[17:58] <Kroze> No, that is not what I am talking about at all
[17:58] <Tendo> Nobody cares about 'natural'.
[17:58] <Tendo> People want Sonic.
[17:58] <Ian_Flynn> Nope. It's better off where it is, how it is.
[17:58] <Ice_Dragon> But that's what's happened Kroze. We're simply saying "Where is the line at which this doesn't become okay."
[17:58] <Ian_Flynn> 10 min. warning, y'all
[17:58] <Ice_Dragon> You have to keep in mind that we've heard moves like that defended as "character development" by the very man that penned those stories.
[17:58] <Donnyku> Neo, remember, Sonic Team themselves seem to have reconned Knux, even in the games he hasn't beed duped or even set eyes on the ME
[17:59] <Tendo> Games? More like.. game.
[17:59] <Ice_Dragon> okay. Let me pose this question.
[17:59] <Tendo> Sonic Heroes.
[17:59] <Ice_Dragon> In terms of story content, what's off limit to the editorial staff?
[17:59] <Ice_Dragon> Archie Comics seems to be the only publisher so wed to the CCA.
[17:59] <Donnyku> Riders, Shadow (though he's more of a side character)
[17:59] <Tendo> I'm not even counting Shadow the Hedgehog.
[17:59] <Tendo> And Riders.. had no plot worth discussing.
[17:59] <Ice_Dragon> (and the 1950's incarnation, at that.)
[17:59] <Ian_Flynn> Realistic fire-arms, injury, violence, and any kind of drugs/sex
[18:00] <Ian_Flynn> Which doesn't really belong in Sonic anyway, so we're all set.
[18:00] <Donnyku> so there's no real chance for a Shadow adaption? (thank god)
[18:00] <Ice_Dragon> G.U.N. soldiers were allowed realistic firearms in the games.
[18:00] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Violence? Injury?
[18:00] <Ice_Dragon> And yeah, StH.
[18:00] <Ian_Flynn> That's the games.
[18:00] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Fire-arms? SHADDOOWWWW
[18:00] <SSNWadmanKiddo> WHERe'S THAT DAMN FOURTH CHAOS EMERALD?
[18:00] <PerfectChaosZero> By injury, do they mean no injuries at all or serious gashes/bloody wounds?
[18:00] <Ice_Dragon> And this is a liscenced product.
[18:00] <Ice_Dragon> That's a good question.
[18:00] <PerfectChaosZero> I mean, we can still see an interesting story like Sonic breaking his leg
[18:00] <PerfectChaosZero> or no?
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[18:00] <Ian_Flynn> Right. No compound/exposed fractures =P
[18:01] <Tendo> Not likely if someone else was doing the breaking.
[18:01] <Kroze> Ahhh
[18:01] <Ice_Dragon> Maria was shot.
[18:01] <PorpoiseMuffins> Ian-- Sega's trademark department reviews each issue of Sonic, right?
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[18:01] <Ian_Flynn> I don't know which department, but everything does pass through Sega's hands before it sees print
[18:01] <Ice_Dragon> Where can I send my resume and a submission script?
[18:01] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Why -does- archie stick to the CCA so much, anyway?
[18:01] <PorpoiseMuffins> Ah, thanks.
[18:02] <PerfectChaosZero> Kiddo: Avoid lawsuits
[18:02] <Ian_Flynn> Because the company president helped create the CCA =P
[18:02] <Kroze> Ian, what have you been most influenced by when writing for sonic since you won't give us any spoilers?
[18:02] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Woah
[18:02] <SSNWadmanKiddo> That's an interesting perspective on in, Flynn.
[18:02] <Ian_Flynn> Ice - send it in to the regular Archie address, c/o Mike Pellerito
[18:02] <Ice_Dragon> Mwahahahaha.
[18:02] <Donnyku> oh god
[18:02] <Ian_Flynn> Good luck to ya ;)
[18:02] <PerfectChaosZero> Watch out Ian, this guy is serious about gunning for your job
[18:02] <H_Hog> uh-oh
[18:02] <Donnyku> you justed doomed up Ian
[18:02] <Meowtwo> The seventh seal has been broken!
[18:02] <Kroze> Now we are doomed!!
[18:03] <Ice_Dragon> The Archie offices are located in New York, correct?
[18:03] <Ian_Flynn> Correct
[18:03] <Ice_Dragon> Wonderful. I'm local.
[18:03] <Kroze> o.0
[18:03] <SSNWadmanKiddo> OSNAPS
[18:03] <SSNWadmanKiddo> ICE IS COMMING TO GET YA
[18:03] <Kroze> Running time!
[18:03] <H_Hog> The twelfth sign of the Apocolypse?
[18:03] <Meowtwo> Ginger osnaps?
[18:03] <H_Hog> (typo on purpose)
[18:03] <Kroze> Ian, what have you been most influenced by when writing for Sonic since you won't give us any spoilers?
[18:03] <Meowtwo> It's one through twelve. And the bonus number is 26.
[18:04] <Ian_Flynn> In terms of what, Kroze?
[18:04] <Ice_Dragon> well
[18:04] <SSNWadmanKiddo> I assume he means "Anything that can influence a comic"
[18:04] <Kroze> In terms of Story and direction
[18:04] <Ice_Dragon> I think I follow him.
[18:04] <PerfectChaosZero> I think he means in the way Penders liked to borrow a lot of Star Trek ideas
[18:04] <Ian_Flynn> General out-look for the book? Sense of adventure? Characterization?
[18:04] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Which, could mean, movies, TV, videogames, books...
[18:04] <Kroze> Yep
[18:04] <Ice_Dragon> When I write Sonic and Tails, I write "Gene Starwind and Jim Hawking"
[18:04] <Ian_Flynn> AH!
[18:05] <Ian_Flynn> I can see Tails as Jim. Sonic isn't anything like Gene.
[18:05] <Ian_Flynn> The dynamic is similar between the two, though.
[18:05] <H_Hog> ...who?
[18:05] <Tendo> He totally is.
[18:05] <Ice_Dragon> Outlaw Star, H
[18:05] <Kroze> Yeppers
[18:05] <Meowtwo> From Outlaw Star.
[18:05] <H_Hog> Ah.
[18:05] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Sonic isn't really like Gene, but his relationship with Tails is similar.
[18:05] <SSNWadmanKiddo> So it makes sense.
[18:05] <Donnyku> Ian, any chance of possibly seeing the Sonic the Comic style Super Sonic?
[18:05] <Meowtwo> Ha. No.
[18:05] <Ice_Dragon> I meant more as that dynamic, yes. Tails being the younger, yet more mature and responsible one.
[18:05] <Ian_Flynn> Kroze - Sonic. Honestly, I go off of the past comics, the games, the sountracks - I try to immerse myself in Sonic when it comes to Sonic.
[18:05] <H_Hog> Oh MAN that would rock
[18:05] <Ian_Flynn> Donnyku - Been there, done that.
[18:05] <PerfectChaosZero> I gotta say, it's good to know we have a writer who knows about things like Outlaw Star. It's nice to see someone cut from the same cloth as the rest of the fanbase.
[18:05] <Kroze> Heh
[18:06] <SSNWadmanKiddo> yeah, that is nice.
[18:06] <Ian_Flynn> Know of it? I have the box set ;)
[18:06] <Ice_Dragon> Have you ever considered writing for another title?
[18:06] <Ice_Dragon> Like, Spider-man or something along those lines?
[18:06] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Any chance we can have a Furry Pirate Vs. a Furry Ninja?
[18:06] <Meowtwo> ...
[18:06] <H_Hog> ...
[18:06] <Ian_Flynn> Sure. I'd love to do nothing but write. It's a matter of getting picked up, tho'
[18:06] <PerfectChaosZero> Hahaha, Kiddo XD
[18:06] <Kroze> rofl
[18:06] <Donnyku> XD nice Kiddo
[18:06] <H_Hog> or Monkey vs Robot
[18:06] <H_Hog> or wait
[18:06] <H_Hog> *oh
[18:07] <Ice_Dragon> Are the villians going to be a legitimate threat again? Because the potential in a character like Naugus has been wasted.
[18:07] <Kroze> Agreed
[18:07] <Ian_Flynn> Oooooooooooh man do I have plans for the villains
[18:07] * H_Hog realizes the complete obsoleteness of the previous statement, as Robots have been a general recurring theme in the Sonic universe
[18:07] <Ian_Flynn> You may question my direction (in fact, I know folks will at some points) but everything I do is the basis for something bigger
[18:07] <Ice_Dragon> Mammoth Mogul needs to be more than a radioactive elephantine Vandal Savage.
[18:07] <Smidge204> But sucky robots
[18:07] <Meowtwo> Will Eggman ever build a giant killer slot machine in the comic, as he did in Shadow the Hedgehog?
[18:07] <Kroze> XDD
[18:07] <Ice_Dragon> What about the Dark Legion?
[18:07] <Donnyku> how about having Eggman/Robotnik taking over the world again? (or has that happened or what?
[18:08] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Ice Dragon has a "big picture" in his head too.
[18:08] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Hrm.
[18:08] <Ian_Flynn> Every resolution, every story's end will have something set for the future
[18:08] <Smidge204> The game series has been getting less and less original in terms of robots
[18:08] <H_Hog> oh man the slotmachine
[18:08] <Meowtwo> I miss the cute robots.
[18:08] <Ian_Flynn> Time's up for me, folks. I gotta run.
[18:08] <SSNWadmanKiddo> aww.
[18:08] <PerfectChaosZero> Damnit Ian, now I have to actually start buying the comic again, because it's obvious that you're gearing up to pull the comic out of it's rutt.
[18:08] <Smidge204> Heroes has what, 5 types?
[18:08] <Ice_Dragon> I've always felt that the Dark Legion, (more to the point, mobians that willingly mechanize themselves) has much potential.
[18:08] <Meowtwo> p.p
[18:08] <SSNWadmanKiddo> Aw, well
[18:08] <H_Hog> What PC0 said
[18:08] <Meowtwo> Heroes has all damned Eggrobos.
[18:08] <Donnyku> oh well, shame it's time for you to go
[18:08] <SSNWadmanKiddo> It was nice meeting you, Flynn. You weren't quite what I expected, and that's actually a good thing. :D
[18:08] <Ian_Flynn> GOOD! READ MORE SONIC
[18:08] <Donnyku> good luck Ian
[18:08] <H_Hog> I should really look for another comicstore that'll import StC for me again
[18:09] <Meowtwo> Mobians that willingly mechanise themselves? Wow, that's a good one.
[18:09] <Swriter> Good luck, Ian. And stick to your guns with your stories, no matter what anyone says.
[18:09] <Ice_Dragon> It was indeed a pleasure talking to you. I await your stories.
[18:09] <Ian_Flynn> If I can't make it in tomorrow night, give my best to Mr. Hurst.
[18:09] <Smidge204> Thanks for dropping by! <3
[18:09] <Donnyku> H, IIRC StC ended (unless you mean Archie Sonic)
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[18:09] <SSNWadmanKiddo> I can't exactly say I'll "Read" the comic (I only read a few sparse issues)
[18:09] <H_Hog> A-duh
[18:09] <SSNWadmanKiddo> But I'll follow along.
[18:09] <PerfectChaosZero> Thanks a ton Ian
[18:09] <Ian_Flynn> Thanks for having me!
[18:09] <Ian_Flynn> Ta~
[18:09] <Kroze> It was nice talking to someone that knows what he is doing with his story
[18:09] <PerfectChaosZero> Yeah, have a good one!
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